E24: Epigenetic Trauma - AI Reimagined

Podcast E24 discusses epigenetic trauma, also known as generational trauma. This episode explores how inherited pain and patterns affect our relationships and behaviors, even if they aren't our own experiences. Learn how to identify these patterns and begin the healing process.

About this AI Deep Dive: This episode features an AI-generated dialogue based 100% on the original teachings of Mette & Sune Sloth. It transforms our core concepts into an engaging conversation for deeper understanding.

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Hey everybody and welcome to the deep dive. We're going to be your AI hosts for this deep dive and we're going to be talking about um epigenetic trauma.

Yes, we are. And we're really excited to uh to share these ideas with you.

Yeah. This is a little bit of a different episode for us in that um

it is

we were actually approached by uh Mette Miriam Sloth who is the creator of the Danish podcast called The Magdalene Effect.

That's right.

And um she asked if we could uh take a look at uh episode 24 of her show. Yeah.

And kind of share those insights with a wider English-sp speakaking audience.

Yeah, absolutely. And it's such a fascinating topic. It's all about this idea of epigenetic trauma, this concept that we carry the weight of our ancestors pain,

you know, even if we didn't personally experience those events ourselves,

right? It's like we're carrying these invisible burdens, these echoes of the past that are still shaping our lives today.

Exactly. And, you know, it's heavy stuff for sure, but Meta approaches it with such warmth and understanding and We're going to do our best to kind of follow her lead and create that same kind of space for this conversation.

Absolutely. And you know, one of the things that struck me right away listening to Med's episode is

how many people resonate with this idea of epigenetic trauma.

Oh yeah.

It's like a light bulb goes off. You know, it is like suddenly all these patterns in our lives, these recurring challenges, they start to make a lot more sense.

Totally. It's like, oh, so it's not just me, right?

It's generations of this, you know, playing out.

Exactly. Yeah. It's like, uhhuh.

Uhhuh.

So that's why you keep doing that. But immediately.

But um but why now?

Yeah.

You know, why do you think this topic is resonating so strongly with people right now?

Well, you know, Med describes our current era as this kind of chaotic, intense time, right? But also one that's ripe for healing and transformation. Okay.

So, it's almost like we're hitting a breaking point collectively, you know, and there's this powerful urge to

break free from these inherited patterns that sort of no more energy. No.

Yeah. It's like we're finally ready to say

enough is enough.

Exactly.

We're done with these old stories, these old wounds that have been holding us back for generations.

Totally.

So, let's unpack that a bit. Like, what does this breaking free actually look like in our lives,

right? That's where it gets really interesting because Mate points out that our intimate relationships,

you know,

yeah,

often become the battleground for these traumas.

Oh, that makes sense,

right? We might find ourselves shutting down, getting angry, angry or reacting with coldness

even when we desperately want to connect with our partners or loved ones.

Right. It's like those old patterns get triggered and we just default to our ancestral operating systems.

Yeah. Exactly.

Even if it's not serving us anymore.

Yeah. It's like we're running outdated software. Totally. And it's causing all these glitches in our relationships.

Right. And Meta uses this really powerful analogy of a deeply ingrained ox cart path.

Oh yes.

To describe this, you know, it's like our nervous systems are carved with these deep grooves from generations of trauma,

right? And we just keep getting stuck in those same ruts over and over again.

Yeah. It's like we're driving a car with a broken steering wheel.

Yeah.

We know we need to change direction, but we just can't seem to break free from those old patterns.

Exactly. And you know, she emphasizes how difficult it can be to break free from those ingrained pathways in our nervous system. You know, it's like, yeah,

you know, we're stuck in this rut even when we know it's happening.

So, if we're carrying all this inherited baggage, right, and and it's playing out in our relationships. What can we do about it?

Yeah.

Is there even hope for change?

That's where the heroic journey part comes in, you know? Okay.

Mechai believes that healing from epigenetic trauma is challenging, often lonely, right?

But it's a process that's essential for our individual and collective evolution.

Heroic, huh? So, we're all basically warriors battling these ancient demons

in a way. Yes.

But seriously, why does she call it heroic?

Well, think about it. Our culture often focuses on appearances, you know, and quick fixes.

Yeah. We're supposed to have it all together, right?

Exactly. We're supposed to be happy and successful and have perfect relationships.

But this deep inner work, you know, this confronting of generational pain,

it's often invisible.

Yeah.

It's misunderstood.

That's not very glamorous.

No, it's not. And it takes immense courage to even acknowledge those wounds,

let alone actively work to heal them. It's like swimming upstream.

Yeah.

You know, going against the current of how we're supposed to be.

Exactly.

But if it's so challenging, why bother, right?

What's the payoff, you know?

Well, here's where things get really exciting. Mate suggests that each individual who chooses to face their epigenetic trauma,

okay,

is actually contributing to a larger shift in consciousness.

Wow.

Yeah. It's like we're sending a ripple effect for the collective unconscious. You know, we're jolting humanity toward a much needed evolution. So, in a way, by healing ourselves, we're also healing the world.

Exactly.

That's a powerful thought.

It is.

Yeah. It's like we're all interconnected, you know, and our individual healing journeys are actually contributing to a collective awakening.

I love that.

Me, too.

A collective healing.

Yeah. So, it's not just about us. It's about something much bigger.

It is.

It's about the evolution of humanity.

Yeah.

Wow. Okay. I'm definitely intrigued. But how do we actually do that? like how do we identify those triggers, those moments where we get pulled back into that old ox cart path

and start to make different choices.

That's what we'll explore in the next part of our deep dive.

Okay. I can't wait.

Ma has some really practical advice about recognizing those patterns and working with them in a compassionate way.

Excellent. I'm ready for that.

Me, too.

Yeah.

So, how do we even begin to untangle these, you know, deep feed patterns?

Yeah. Where do we even start?

Well, Mate's approach is all about becoming aware right

of those specific situations and bodily sensations where these traumas kind of lock us down.

Okay, that makes sense. But how do we actually do that? You know, sounds kind of abstract.

It's about tuning into our bodies,

okay,

and noticing those subtle cues.

Like what kind of cues are we talking about?

You know, that tightness in the chest,

okay,

that knot in the stomach, that sudden urge to withdraw.

Oh, yeah.

You know, our bodies are constantly sending us signals,

right?

But we often ignore them or push them down.

So, we need to learn to like pay attention to those whispers.

Yes.

Instead of waiting for the full-blown scream.

Exactly.

But what happens when we do notice those signals,

right?

What's the next step?

Well, Mate emphasizes the importance of creating space.

Okay.

You know,

space for what?

Space to not immediately react. Okay.

From that place of old pain,

right? So, it's like hitting the pause button.

Yeah.

On that old ingrained response.

Exactly. That must be incredibly difficult though. It is

especially when we're in the heat of the moment, you know,

especially then like when those triggers are firing and we just want to react,

right? But that's where self-compassion comes in. And Medi reminds us that this is deep work.

Yeah.

It takes time,

of course,

and patience.

There will be setbacks.

Sure.

Moments where we fall back into old patterns,

right?

And that's okay.

Okay. So, it's not about being perfect.

No,

it's about progress.

It is.

And maybe even like like being kind to ourselves along the way.

Absolutely.

But what about those times when it feels like we're just drowning?

Yeah.

You know, in all this inherited pain.

I know what you mean.

Like when it just feels too much to bear.

That's when seeking support can be so valuable.

Okay.

You know, Mate talks about the importance of working with a therapist or a guide.

Yeah.

Who understands this type of deep trauma,

right? Someone who can hold space for that.

Exactly. They can help us navigate those dark nights of the soul.

Yeah. Like having a passionate sherpa,

right,

guiding us through the treacherous terrain of our own psyches.

Exactly.

That makes a lot of sense,

right?

But I imagine this work can also feel incredibly isolating.

It can,

especially if those around us don't understand what we're going through.

Absolutely. Med acknowledges that this is often a lonely journey, right?

You especially since our culture tends to shy away.

Yeah. We don't like to talk about the hard stuff.

I know we don't.

It's all about like toxic positivity and, you know, just keep on smiling,

right? But she also emphasizes the incredible strength and resilience. Yeah.

It takes to embark on this path.

So, it's like we're pioneers

in a way.

You know, forging a new way of being in the world.

Exactly.

But even though it's challenging, it sounds like the rewards are pretty incredible.

They are.

What does Mete say about the potential for transformation?

Well, she describes it as a process of uncovering hidden aspects of ourselves.

Okay.

You know, peeling back layers to reveal our true essence, right?

And as we heal these generational traumas.

Yeah.

We're not only freeing ourselves, but also creating space for something new to emerge.

It's almost like we're breaking a chain. Yes.

You know, stopping the transmission of pain and suffering.

Absolutely.

That's been passed down for generations.

And that's powerful.

That's such a powerful image.

It is.

But how does that actually play out in our lives?

Well, Mete talks about how this healing work

Yeah.

can lead to a profound sense of freedom and aliveness. you know, we start to show up differently in our relationships.

We're less reactive,

more present,

and more able to experience genuine connection.

So, it's not just about surviving.

No,

it's about thriving.

It is.

It's about moving beyond simply coping with these traumas to actually using them as a catalyst for growth and transformation.

Exactly.

And this transformation isn't just limited to our individual lives. Metate believes that as more and more individuals embark on on this journey of healing.

Yeah.

It creates a ripple effect.

It does.

That impacts the collective consciousness.

I agree.

So, we're not just healing ourselves.

We're healing the world.

One ox cart path at a time.

I love that. One ox cart path at a time. But we're being honest.

Yeah.

Sometimes this whole healing journey can feel a bit overwhelming.

It can be a lot.

Right. Where do we even start?

Well, Metsai offers a few practical suggestions.

Okay.

She encourages us to pay attention. to our bodies.

Okay.

Notice those triggers

and create space for those feelings to arise without judgment.

Okay. So, awareness and self-compassion are key.

Yes.

What else?

She also emphasizes the importance of finding support.

Yeah.

Whether it's through therapy, a support group, or even just confiding in a trusted friend.

Okay.

And finally, she reminds us that this isn't about striving for perfection.

It's about taking small steps, celebrating the wins,

and remember remembering that healing isn't a linear process.

That's really reassuring.

It is,

especially for those of us who might be feeling a bit daunted by this whole concept.

It's like, okay, I can breathe.

Yes.

I can take this one step at a time.

One step at a time

and I don't have to do it alone.

You don't. And that's where the real power lies.

You know, where's that

in choosing to face these inherited wounds? Yeah.

We're not just reclaiming our own lives,

right?

But also contributing to a more conscious

Yeah.

compassionate and interconnected world.

Beautiful. I love that. You know, as we've been talking about this idea of epigenetic trauma,

um

yeah,

I've been thinking about how much it like resonates with me, you know, my own experiences. I can definitely see those patterns, you know, like playing out in my own relationships,

those moments where I'm like,

why am I reacting this way? You know, this doesn't feel like me, right?

This feels like something else is happening.

And I think this idea of like ancestral patterns really helps to explain that.

Yeah, I think it makes so much sense. You know, it's like a missing piece of the puzzle

exact people.

Yeah. But as we kind of wrap up this deep dive,

I wanted to come back to something that we talked about at the very beginning.

Yeah. What's that?

This idea that like aligning with our soul's purpose.

Oh yeah.

Can actually bring joy into the healing process,

right?

You know, that's a pretty radical concept.

It is. It's like we're not just trying to like fix ourselves or, you know, get rid of the pain, but we're actually aligning with something

bigger than ourselves, something that gives our lives meaning and purpose and direction.

So, it's not just about releasing the pain of the past, right?

It's also about embracing the potential of the present and the future

exactly,

but how do we actually find that alignment

right

with our soul's purpose?

Well, you know, that's a journey in itself, of course.

Yeah.

But Metate suggests that it often starts with like,

okay,

listening to our intuition.

Okay.

Paying attention to what brings us joy.

Yeah.

What lights us up?

Like what makes us feel excited to be alive.

Exactly.

Right. It's about exploring those activities,

those passions,

right?

You know, those causes that make us feel truly alive.

Totally.

So, it's like following that inner compass.

Yeah.

Even if it leads us off the beaten path, you know.

Exactly. And sometimes it does, you know, and that can be scary.

Yeah, it can be. But I imagine for some people

Uhhuh. Even the idea of having a soul's purpose

can feel kind of daunting.

Yeah. Yeah.

Like overwhelming.

Absolutely. It's not something that we just like figure out overnight,

you know? It's a process of exploration, experimentation, trial and error.

Trial and error. Yeah.

And sometimes it's simply about taking those small steps towards what feels authentic and meaningful.

Even if we don't have all the answers.

Okay. So, it's about the journey, not just the destination.

Exactly.

And maybe even allowing ourselves to be surprised. by where that journey takes us.

I love that.

But as we wrap up, I want to make sure that we kind of highlight the key takeaways.

Yeah.

You know, from our deep dive into epigenetic trauma.

Okay, good idea.

So, we've learned that epigenetic trauma is

a real thing, you know, it's not just something that we're making up.

It's a real phenomenon.

And it impacts our lives.

Yeah.

In profound ways.

It affects our relationships.

Yeah. Our relationships with ourselves.

With ourselves. With others.

With other with the world around us.

Absolutely. And it's really about,

you know, recognizing that we're carrying the weight

Yeah.

of our ancestors experiences.

And those patterns can play out in all kinds of ways.

Yeah. And how we think, how we feel, how we behave,

how we react to things.

But we've also learned that we're not alone in this,

right?

There's a growing awareness of epigenetic trauma.

There is.

And there are resources and support systems available.

Yeah. There are people who understand this, who've been there.

Absolutely. And who can help us through it.

Exactly.

And perhaps most importantly, we've explored this idea,

right,

that healing from epigenetic trauma

Yeah.

isn't just possible.

It can be a really transformative experience.

It can.

It's about breaking free from those old patterns.

Uhhuh. Creating new pathways.

Creating new pathways in our nervous system.

Yes.

And ultimately finding a sense of

freedom,

flow, freedom, aliveness.

Aliveness.

You know, that wasn't possible before.

Exactly.

And remember, Mint reminded us that this healing journey,

yes,

can actually be ecstatic.

It can,

especially when we align with our soul's purpose,

right?

So, that's a powerful image to leave you with.

It is,

you know, we encourage you to ponder that possibility,

to explore those things that light you up

and to embrace the potential for healing and transformation.

Yes.

That exists within each of us.

I love that.

Thanks for joining us on this deep dive into epigenetic trauma.

Yes. Thank you.

We hope you found it insightful.

We hope it sparked something in you. and inspiring. Absolutely.

And maybe even a little bit hopeful.

Yes, there's always hope.